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12:39 Roundtable Ines Rabadan
experiment + documentary at the same time
inspiré du karaoke philosophique de lionel lesire : : seen at jonctions 4, an installation in which people could talk like philosophers
i did the interviews but some of them don't have a contract, they didn't wanted to be filmed. i wanted to have portraits of rich women and cleaning women. somehow the cleaning women have to be transparent. and cleaning ladies didn't really want to talk about their jobs. so it's the voices of the women.
Some of cleaning women did not want to be filmed, so this was a solution
Ines is talking about her film, Karaoke
I am that woman and it's vry funny cause i met the boss first. and she said oh she's very shy she won't want to be in and then she did and called me and said she wanted in and she hadsomething to say. Sharing the idea with me it strenghtened th possibility to invent sth new, a method. "I just don't do it and see what happens".
femke : heads/hands are occupied. even when we don't do it, we think about it
all this intelligence of women spent taking care of the house, of everything, is still not share (the mental part of it). i'm looking for tools to get rid of this, to change things. the fact of having somebody to tell all this for one of the cleaning lady was important to her.
Reminds me of unite de lieu et de temps, so dfficult to show what is the private sphere, inside of the house. Struck by the fact that you did it, even if you explained you had no other way to do it.
In fact it is exactly what it is : Nobody sees the domestic sphere.
Your film shows domestic sphere so beautifully, you can imagine it, all women know it, all man know it as well.
U think it's a very very feminist film.
Julia: I was actually fascinated and i was wondering why you did all the women. but even without that you were right to do it. It is the same face, the same woma. Very strong difference to speak about the origin of the women, in the same gender issue. It has to be taken into account. There are strong differences and we can see it's not only men and women but also between women. Women dominating aother women. And i liked to see them all through one face, your face.
Femke : for us the connexion was not just the but also this question of care which still very often comes up. But if you talk about tech infrastrucutre we usually share this task, but the stress and repettion of tasks is similar to housework. there's differences and connexions and this is what we're talking about.
xx: women decided to not want their faces to be shown, but they showed their hands
Ines: they They did agree to show their hands, I couldn't say why, byt yes, they did agree. i wanted to show the hands, also the women you see them all 3 in the movie. I have been asked why I showed them, i wanted to pay a tribute to be in the movie and tell me their stories.
I wanted to pay a tribute to them telling them their stories.
I had the feelinf that playing al lthe women could give sth interesting about representation. what a bourgeoise looks like, what a polish woman looks like, ect. It is also about the speech, how iti is articulated.how you articulate your thoughts, show the construction of the movie. it corresponds to my hybrid background. one of my grandmother had a maid at home (a bell to call her) and my other grandmother was a maid from age 6
there's also the accents, i wanted to go back to them at the end at the film. Through the hands I said : ok, she is there, these are the hands that havebeen doing the cleaning.
Peter: remark a few things we were talking about yesterday. We had a few presentations of people and server based projects, they were all asked the same questions, one of them was : what is the gender of the server, we tried to evoke something. There were few comparisons between home and server. Marthe went into relationship house-server, and responsability of maintaining the place, the server and the house. It is been taken care of by yourself and other people. Joy in making your place your own place, but it can also be a nuisance, repetitive tasks, resources the people you trust, etc.. How does the service deal with that all. The law was in mosrt cases perceived as justice. But there was also a different approach : the only law is gravity. the physical laws, tc. There is a whole dynamic of the home of the server, many types and ways of dealing with these issues. You make us think how this service is organised. It helps us create something out of this. It was a beautiful symbolic moment you showed. The house is doing sth to the people who are doing sth to the house.
Ines : thank you.
Marthe: Im very curous, because 2 people who are maintaining my server space, have their hands here. I never met them, but they're here. Job shadowing, I'm a volonteer for next year, for someone who is managing a digital one, to job shadow. Someone who is helping me in the house, the law helps me in this. In belgium law allows you to substract in taxes house help. I m glad soemeone is helping me in my house, but I would be happy to help in digital server.
Femke: I think we're all very happy to have seen your film. Ines wll have to go for take care of some things (laughs in the audience) but then she will come back and participate in the discussion later. But I think the film will stay with us.
12:30 Observations after Ines' film
Caretaking was an important thread running through these past three days. Hands versus heads that are occupied. Infrastructure versus content/expression. In the film one of the "femmes domestique" started inventing new methods for herself, how to stop being consumed only by infrastructure and living also for herself, starting to think about what she would like for herself. Talking about this reinventing by talking about it to others was important to her. In a sense this is what we're doing these four days, talking about new methods of escaping being consumed by serving and find ways to spend time on thinking about what we are serving, for who, with who and why...
Household work and maintaining technical infrastructure have this caretaking in comon. The repetitiveness of tasks. Piramid scheme? Division of tasks, sharing tasks together works great for those who can chose to work and share the load of housework with a "femme de menage", but the woman doing the housework for others usually also does all the work in her own home. She has nobody to share her tasks with. Does the comparison with maintaining for instance servers work in this context too? Companies like Google have huge teams of sysadmins/developers worknig on the caretaking but small initiatives have nobody to share these tasks with and are left with very little time to spend on other sides of their work, expression/content/context/networking with sisterorganisations/developing together with those they want to develop for (risk of simply developing for your own needs and projecting those needs on others).
Maslov -> to be able to spend time on 'self realisation' you need to fulfill basic needs first such as housing, nutrition, health, safety, social network, etc. before you can spend time on developing yourself (or your organisation).
These four days we are being served, fed, housed, taken care of, so we can focus on the self realisation part of life as collectives, as individuals, extremely privileged situation.
Are sysadmins the cleaning ladies of the digital realm? There is definately a status difference and having root or the key to someones house is not the same power, ppl are not relying on you for similar services. But it's all about maintainance of infrastructures. In a way it is seen as more empowering to be able to maintain digital infrastructures as opposed to maintinging physical and domestic ones. Software development is another story, here the developer is working on infrastructures that shape parts of our lives. It's not a super usefull analogy perhaps... but then again, these maintainance tasks make it possible for others to dedicate themselves to "more interesting things" as one of the ladies in Ines' movie said.
12:52 : break
Femke: when we started preparing this event, we wanted to see the constant server physically. But it was complicated: permssions, it is a sunday... will be complicated. So we asked them to ocme and present it to us. In mean time they have moved to other datacenter, they show us their new images of theirs servers.
All2all is hosting for dedicated servers, virtual servers and many activist project in brussels are hosted with them. We are not the only ones wanting to know where our servers are.
So here is the video showing what we saw that day.
Jens Ingo (all2all) : in datacenter soun is very strong, you need to wear headphones
So i did some visite of data center and had sb film it. They are all resemblng each other
cage like walls
power supllies (left)
network cables (right)
input output holes
[go back frames)
a-feed and b-fees
web interface --> reboot possibility
13:18: image with his finger showing the connections
5 amper indication
distribution case for each a and b feed -> 4 electropowered plugs in the ground which are connected to board, each feed is 20 amp
power plugs on the ground
the power plugs come out of the floor
the power plugs come out of the floor
the power plugs come out of the floor
also airconditioning is arriving to cool the place
one output on the right
the orange thing is for the fiber optics
the router constructed with Linux (not a brand or sth)
we constructed it ourselves
router software is Quagga
paper flying a la marilyn monroe in front of the ventilator's little holes lineup
thermometer for mesuring heath/cold in front of racks and also behind (hot air) of the servers
cage for fire extinguisher units (huge)
'gas fire extinguishers' the electric components wll not be touched by it when there is a fire
"get energised by DUTRY power"
if there is a power issue on the a-feed, the b-feed comes in and htis transfer switch does it very well, goes from a to be, then when problem is solved, it switches back
-->>>uninterrupted power suplly
--->>less stressful for the electronical components to not stop abruptly
every month there is a test-run, a-feeds stops to check everything, also diesle for generator is refilled and checked
--> huge autonomy
Femke : I have one question : So when you were preparing this conversation you talked about foot prints. in what way do you have our hands on this datacenter, where does your responsibility starts and end,.
Jens Ingo: Demarcation line, you have to know where your responsability stops. there is datacenter, but also the admin on backbone (? )
We have our own IP ranges, so we can also stop collaboration with the data center if it is not satisfying any more.
this is progress, when we started in 1999/2000, we were
we were much more dependent, we did not run the router, have our own ip-addresses etc.
now we have an easier negotiation basis with the data center.
We have 7 footprints.
server rack occupies 1 footprint more or less (= 1 tile), depends on the deck of the server
unbeneath on technical floor: datacenter responsability + electric responsability
footprint = demarcation line between responsabilities
as soon as it goes into XX it's our responsibility.
meeting room: a lot of different switches of different size, like a matrix
on the matrice you have diff supplies for
our router is connected to meeting room, from there we can do different xxx to different supllies
demarcation line is actually around this dispatching place.
Ripe : Réseau Intenrt
They are very particular human beings, they are all male in the datacenter: technicians walking around
when I go there, friday morning, there was auite some mouvement, auite busy durong office hours. A lot of maintaing to do: change filters of airco, tests on the generators...
How many times do you go
deends, we have a lot of monitoring disk crashing,
we have chat hosting, servers we set up for different websites
disk on a xxxx
[missed big part here]
we have to go there to set up a new server, network issues
each connection on power supply is item, we can stop urrent and bring it back 'hard reset' this we can do from a distance
in 1 month i go 4 to 5 times
sometimes more work and go more often
we try not to go often, because it not a very pleasant place
it is not a place for human beings, really for machines
electro smog, electro magnetic field, hot air, in winter is nice, but in summer not
no chairs, no table, I have to wear headphones if I stay longer
Gabriel : wondering wht lkind of mindset you have to do all those tasks ?
As a household ? I'm thinking about this connexion to keep infrastructure and house running ? how to prioritize?
Jens: you have to start to set up utilitarian approach, most important is network connection, everything else is secondary
if I have network segment problem, in the background i have individual complaints of the costumer
it changes all the time
priorities change all the time, it depends on the type of the event
if there is no emergency, you just watch the monitoring and provide what is needed.
If you have more time, you can start to work on them.But the most important is to have all the servers up and the network.
Little problems inside server, application issues, clients with virusses on their computers, centralize the servers which allow access directly on hosting account, they can set up their oown application, sometimes malware, we have to check this, scan computers, is something very new now
Femke : how many people are working there ?
We have sometimes stagiaries (internes) on the payrol we are three plus freelance people that come fro mtime to time.
Nicolas: company that run the datacenters, competitive market with a lot of offfers? Some monopoly? A lot of choice? you said they look all the same, is it homogenous or not really ? , do they ave different politicis, economical, ecological.
Jens: they have different prices. On server side it could be different. We had experiences in the past, around brussels. they mostly are on the periphery of the city, sometimes inside, but then they are telecom owned.
Motorways around the city, you have rigns passing, maybe changed a bit now, but it was more difficult to get them into the city.
Different offers are mainly diff by price. The most expensive are not necessarily the best.
f.ex. one in Diegem which is a bigger one, one day they started to work to do improvements, people broke into the datacenter. How is this possible? This should be a protected place. We had to leave, break the contract through legal procedures.
You have to sign a contract, stay as long as possible but you want ot avoid to be thrown out to early. The price is not necessarily a qulity proof, look at it from different angles: is it discrete, secure, guards presence, these are qulity criteria.Many are badly protected because of the size also.
Some of the companies have parts of the data centers they have the same access code for long time, not secure enough
It's quite expensive actually.
1 footprint is like rrenenitng an apartmentting an appartment. (where???)
You also have bills for electricity, airconditioning.
Femke : are there groups of datacenters ? are they telecoms ?
jens: 2 types: provider independent datacenter, don't provide network connection, only the service; up to you to contact different providers present on the datacenter to have contract with them.
and then there is datacenters that are tainted becaue they are telecom owned and then you have more difficulties to have the bandwith you want , you are in a dependency with the telecom provider. First we worked with Alcatel which was sold to KPN then to Mobistar datacenter so we ended up dependent by them and we didn't want that.
In upload direction there has been much less bandwith than was agreed on we measured it, had an argument and removed all the servers.
You have to have a lorry to transport them from one DC to the other. Moving is really difficult. It is a real dependency reltion of the DC is not neutral.
A lot of work to reconnect and renumber them.
If DC is only concentrating on DC work, it is more free,
On the other hand you can always have a DC in your attick but if you really want to do it, then it is almost impossible in an appartment building or a house. Lots of factors could compromise your network. Fire, dust, problems, interferences with metal structures etc.
ex. fire in kitchen.... dust problems, people living in the house (somebody can become crazy)
If people live in the house they can become crazy and attack the server, etc (laughs)
Q: How much electricity do you need?
In the end it's sth like 1000 euros per month.
There's really a lot of power supliers to run this.
But they're becoming more and more economical.
less and less power demanding
you have same or higher computer capacity today with less electricity demands than before
let me think how much... Frederic. What's the average electricity cost ? 1500 electricity bill per month. they count the use of the kilowatt hours for use and send an invoice.
Ecological and economical reasons. Actually the economical reasons brought about ecological reasons.
Maria: is there a cleaning service in DC?
Jens: yes, oly men doing it
Q: Are there women?
Jens: yes, but very rare, women sys admin
we had once an employee who was a woman, 1 in 14 years who applied for a job
it is a womanless domain, I don't understand why, he
Peter W : to jens and Marthe, you did this gentle offer to do jobshadowing. Somebody could follow your job day to day. I was imagining the conversation you would have before starting the jobshadowing with all2all. Can you imagine that someone like Marthe, young, female, artist, feminist... what could you learn from her? And other way round: what could you get out?
Jens : Well, i dont rreally undrstand shadow working.
Marthe: I'll explain. I thought it was project supported by EU, that people would do job shadowing, follow someone in its daily routine of working.
I get some financial support to do that. Monitoring, cleaning... then I would be able to do that later. f.ex. when you type short cut on your computer, you would have to say it out loud.
Jens : Well, it depends how long ! (laughs) You cannot imagine this like an office job. I could work on sth. You can sometiles be in the DC but also work from the outside. We did a lot of internships, to train them, it was a painfl parto for us, we had to show them how to maintain a server how to understand the network, to work on the servers.
What we did was internships, also when we had employees, we had to train them. Painful part for us, because we had to show them how to use shall, understand a network, work on the servers.
We asked them to have level 1 certification to prevent any hard accidents.
internship 'learnign in the company', people paid by region of brussels for 5 months, money we had to pay for salary was always increasing, nice system. 2 years later they left us, they wanted to change to another company. they left us with our secrets, recipees. because what we are doing is not so much taught in the schools, university, very particular. We learned by practise, by constructing it. People form alternative schools dealing with internet and sys admin, we don't have profile we look for. They come with a lot of windows knowledge we dont't use, we have to train them ourselves, is a lot of effort.
Gabriel ; i have a good proposal. the intern people tanslate how infrastructure works. i am sys admin at medialab prado (madrid) and interested in infrastructure. there is now a website that shows all i learned [link???] .i would like to know if you have like a scale to mesure how you do yoru datacenter. is the government or public sector taking care of your DC ? does the state have a control of some points ? f.ex. links in between cities through highways
mix in between public and private sector
Jens : about the city rings, what you see now is genral privately owned connexions, most of the carriers (if you look the carrier site), there are some that are neutral, are providing dark fiber. you have your own network you can run on 10 gb or what you want and then you have he less neutral carriers that provide the IP network, you can also make peerings (?) it is difficult to make peerings. Electricity and gas and water companies were only recently privatised but most of the time with fiber optics it is set up by private companies from start, there are perhaps subsidies but there are no public fiber networks anywhere.
one of the strategies to create a market?
there are networks between universities, beginning of 90s, but they are more and more disappearing, maybe based on less recent technologies? they are not so important as private owned now.
I think the implementatio of most of the networks was happening when everything was already too advanced and thats why there s no goverment ones.
there must be some of railway company, but they sell dark fiber networks to other companies
Dark fiber : ethernet network / you just get a fiber optic connection between 2 points, ex this building and zavcentem, you would connect your own equipment and you put the fibers, in zaventem you also put up the switch and fibers, and then you have an ethernet network of 20km between this room and zaventem. little connectors, stf, you can switch in, looks like usb-stick
there is a lot of cables that are never used within the fiber cables, a lot of capacity to connect, but people only use 2 fibers in the cables of the entire fiber, the rest is dark fiber because it remains useless but present.
13:06 Observations All2All
Divison of responsibility at datacenters: everything under the floor is the datacenters responsibility, but everthing that enters into the rack is All2All responsibility. Remote monitoring ensures All2All doesn't have to visit often. Working on disks, replacing disks and setting up a new server requires to physically go there. For switching on and off machines, it can be done remotely, hard resets. Its not a place for humans, its noisy, electromagnetic fields, hot air, no chairs or tables... it's for machines. Maintaince is done in order of importance: first network and keep machines running, then little problems on software level, virusses that get introduced by clients.
Datacenters are one of the most basic levels of our network infrastructures, there are different types with different services, some provide only electricity and space, you have to get your own dataconnection. Some are tainted (telecom owned), it's difficult to get the bandwidth you want. They don't always provide the connection speed that was agreed upon. Also safety is not always great. Switching datacenter is an incredibly big job, so you can end up in a dependant position easily, simply because you want to avoid moving at all cost. You rely on datacenters because in domestic environment you have to take too many factors into account for uptime. Unpredictable things from fires to people going berserk attacking machines. On a small scale it is possible, but on larger scale not. So hosting services are dependent on data centers, Client is not King /klant is geen koning.
Training employees and interns was painful process for All2All (3 ppl). Level 1 linux certification to start with. When ppl leave they leave with their secrets and recipes. Is knowledge transfer possible for places like All2All? It seems too time consuming and also sensitive (trade "secrets"/recipes).
State control over infrastructure? Most connections are privately owned. There are some neutral carriers that offer dark fiber, unused fiber optic connections. Less neutral carriers that let you use their existing network. Is real neutrality possible? Every infrastructure is engineered with an agenda.
1,5% of the world consumption of electricity comes from datacenters.
server at home is one thing, possible and desirable, but living in a datacenter is not possible for human (agressive for the body on many levels : noise, electrosmoke, electromagnetic field, heat) (there's no chairs, tables). what would it mean in terms of data production/consumption if all the internet was home-hosted ? what would that changed in terms of access ?
what about responsabilities in home servers ? what about autonomy ? would there be a change in law for instance ? at least about practices
remote : in/visibility
datacenters at the periphery of the city most of the time (the ones inside are telecom-owned). fiberoptics under the motorways, so that was it was more difficult to be in the city. therefore consequences in terms of urbanism : metaphors of the cloud as someplace else without impact abund, but the cloud and other services in datacenters participate actively in shaping the urban and periurban landscapes. if home-hosting would become massive, it might change how and where electricity would be created (is it possible and/or desirable ?).
it's less and less power-demanding (than a few years ago) to run a datacenter (=host data), but the amount of data has also grown exponential.
"cages" : internet services : cage within cage within cage. like a matrioschka made of cages. are we all only cleaning cages when we tend upon our servers/data/exchange ? or can we articulate caring with emancipation (and how do we do that practically) ?
only men are doing cleaning service in the data center.
Femke : thank you, now let's talk around coffee.
14:17 An: Food is the chemical binding of all Constant events. We're very happy with our excellent cook Guillaume APLAUSE!!!!!!!! presents for the team :)
Baris and Wendy online
hey, me, too! - asli
Movement against state controlled internet (Remote from Turkey)
Filtering, state control, blocking of content, monitoring of communication in Turkey. http://www.alternatifbilisim.org/wiki/English
Wendy wrote them to invite them to jonctions as a stratement about the uses of technology in these kinds of situation. lots of people built tunnels in Turkey in the last years. difficulties to get visas to travel.
Last friday we tried to connect to Istanbul but we got stuck in VoIP config issues in Jitsi. On the other side of the line there is Asli Telli. http://aslitelli.tumblr.com http://about.me/asli_telli occupy gezi Her research & interests : open free source technology, diy
14:33 Wendy is setting up a Jit.si connection with Asli. She can hear us, we can hear her (so far everything is great) but then we need to output on the speakers which takes a bit of time.
14:39 Femke proposes to switch to her presentation, 1 minute to prepare and then comes Geraldines presentation and hopefully then we'll have solved the connection problem with Turkey. In any case we will include Asli's voice into the video documentation somehow.
14:42 mini break
14:50 Lecture: Fathers of the Internet
Only notes, the beginning of something that I think is really important. It doesn't matter if I'm doing it or someone else but it's about something important that is happening really nearby.
fathers of the internet started in a long figure in Paul Otlet, obscure figure at that time. "father of information science".
14:55 FEMKE on Paul Otlet and Google
(for NOTETAKERS ONLY, the link to Femke's ongoing research : https://gitorious.org/fathers-of-the-internet)
I'm going to share notes with you.
We need to talk about this and it's happening nearby.
It started from a longtime interest in Paul Otlet. I first discovered him when I moved to Brussels. Many of my Belgian friends didn't know him at all.
I would like to start with a parental warning by someone else. Alex Wright who wrote a text on Otlet on an English website (http://www.transcriptsearch.com.es/id/FwO4kJhfG8U . See alsohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwO4kJhfG8U). Planned obsolesence: always focused on the next new thing, so we lose sight of the historical context. We're not living through some special period where everything is new all the time, we need to situate ourselves in a historical context.
Many beards in this presentation (while showing a photo of Otlet).
Otlet understood that in an age of information the connections between materials were more important than the materials themselves. He developed a system of library cards to access information. Quote: "from individual books, collective books are created. Instead of an encyclopedia limited and determined by a certain date, the universal book of knowledge would be an unlimited work, always up to date always growing... "
"knowledge is the genesis of things. their genetics form the basis of pres "
Traite sur la documentation, available online! :) here : http://lib.ugent.be/fulltxt/handle/1854/5612/Traite_de_documentation_ocr.pdf
tech : based on planned obsolescence so tendency to lose history about that. we can understand the technology. info on "boxes and arrows" (a blog)
Paul Otlet was very interested in documentation, the age of information : the relation to the materials is more important that the materal instead. He invented the library card.
picture : the last women to see in the presentation
from different books, one book is created. synthesizes.
"knowledge is the genesis of things. their genetics form the basis of pres ??"
he understood very well that informtion is not about cold words passing thru the tubes, but also images, posters... a system to connect all these types of information. picture : prototype for such a device
He was thinking up systems to connect all different types of information, texts, images, sound recordings, ... Photo of an installation where you could listen, look, read... Melvil Dewey is one of the more famous "fathers", Otlet was aware of Dewey, he tries to convince him to take on his standard to communicate with him and his system. 1903 correspondance from Otlet to Dewey. Decimal classification. 1912/1913 his enterprise (accepting paid searches to his database, turning out millions of cards, selling them internationally, a true enterprise). Lobying and running his business.
melvil dewey : the natural father
dewey system for decimal library system. otlet knew of dewey but tried to convince dewey to find a way to communicate btw systems.
po had two sons. he was making cards, paid searches to his database.
he was from a bourgeois family but wanted to make it happen, so he did from business to lobbying to establish his system.
He had an amazing building for exhibitions that has now turned into a car museum. But this shows he was doing really well, big prestigious building. Then the war started and both his sons were called to service. He lost his youngest son. Otlet published la fin de la guerre with a world charter of human rights as the basis for an international federation of states. (From: The universe of information).
he was friend with lafontaine, that got a nobel prize and he invested all his nobel prize in his project
Elio di Rupo mayor of Mons and finds out these cards of Otlet are still in Brussels. He puts them in a department store where they can be cherished and looked at.
video : Boyd Rayward wrote the first bio of paul otlet filmed in po museum in mons
Mondaneum in Mons archive of Otlet. Boyd finds out that many of Otlets cards are still in Brussels and writes about them.
15:08 Wendy installs speakers while we're staring at a big blue globe on the projection. A painting of what ppl abroad fantasized what Otlet was working on.
the scenography was done by Peeter/Schuitten who are illustrators, and this is how the museum looked until recently. from a kind of treasure found by a mayor, it was preserved but not very vivid.
Heritage was preserved but not in a vivid way, only rescued from further decay. Otlet was still a well kept secret, at least internationally. Ppl started looking into him though, more interest was raised.
po : becoming a forgotten forefather
Alex Wright writes about him. meta applications discover links between documents but this is an untransparent process. Algorythms :) used in search engines. Would Otlet's web have turned out differently?
quote : "Would Otlet’s Web have turned out any differently? We may yet find out. With the advent of the Semantic Web and related technologies like RDF/RSS, FOAF, and ontologies, we are moving towards an environment where social context is becoming just as important as topical content. Otlet’s vision holds out a tantalizing possibility: marrying the determinism of facets with the relativism of social networks."
Femke Snelting, Nicolas Malevé, Peter Westenberg and Laurence Rassel visit the Mundaneum. The museum doesn't 'interface' its treasures to the audience, no explanations, no way to discover, no touching, etc.
Peter blog routes routines (https://archive.org/details/BalearicRoutesRoutines
2007 : announce in the press for a company "crystal computing" data centers (a smokescreen company for google). elio di rupo & other politicians had to keep it a secret, because google would have stoped this operation if it has been known that they were opening a datacenter in belgium.
The smallest hitch would perhaps make Google pull out of the deal, so everthing was done to make sure things remained smooth and undercover.
discours d'elio di rupo pour l'ouverture de google : "désir régional de s'en sortir". "google open day"
picture of king albert + di rupo visiting google
King Albert visits Google. Jean Duplius: a confused parent. Back to Mundaneum, former department store used as showcase for Otlets work with closed drawers and cybercafe. http://www.mundaneum.orgDi Rupo announced the official collaboration between Mundaneum and Google. A partnership. The information society didns't start in the 70s and 80s, it was made in the mind of visionaries, Otlet and Lafontaine. They saw how Information would be the black gold of the next centuries. (march 2013 di Rupo). "For Google it is exiting to rediscover our own roots". Video of director of Mundaneum speaking about how an impoverished area will be revived together with partner Google, through a common language, invented by Otlet.
information as the black gold of the next centuries (replacing mining by datamining)
capture partielle de la vidéo : tenter la conversion industrielle vers des choses plus précises et ça passe par le grand projet de 2015, Mons capitale européenne culturelle de 2015, relancer la dynamique culturelle et sociale. google est là pour préserver la culture. po et hl ont essayé de classer l'information du monde entier pour la rendre accessible à tous. 100 ans le 10 décembre pour le centernaire du prix nobel de la paix à lafontaine.
Preparing for Mons 2015 because Mons will be cultural capital of Europe that year, supported by Google. Video made by local company presenting Mons 2015. Un Google en papier. Making information accesible so that everyone has access lol.Shedding light on heritage using new technology is what Mons 2015 is about. Bridging old industries with future industries. Helping artists working with technology, where future meets technology. Here at the Mundaneum, we are at the heart of this system. 1000 jobs created. Reshaping image of the city, modest but counting for something.
promotional video made by a company in mons
"paper google" one hundred year ago
"grand écart entre les grands artistes d'hier et les technologies d'aujourd'hui"
"vers l'industirie du futur"
"aider les artistes à s'approrprier les technologies"
O:men talk in the video, and women smile
O An : une ville qui compte, littéralement, 0 1
mundaneum started to have new exhibition
critique : brin & page are not otlet & lafontaine : a blog post "mémoire souillée"
picture of the recently opened of the google cultural institute. google art project became the google art institute http://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/project/art-project
Juxtaposition of Otlet and Lafontaine and Larry page and Sergei Brin. The memory of Otlet is made dirty by "his" own Mundaneum. Mundaneum started their own online exhibition,with Google, not downloadable, curation not very interesting (copy pasting of existing sources).
Museum of the holocaust in jerusalem makes statement that basically it's not realistic to refuse partnerships with companies like Google, only in fairytales can you remain independent
lots of press about the datacenter in belgium by google - promotional video par ex about the water supply in the datacenter : using the water of the canal as a natural cooling of the datacenter.
Use of the water of the canal is used as a natural cooling system for the Datacenter. No footage of the actual datacenter. They show in a video the way the water of the canal is channeled to a distribution center.
Google starts to publish interviews with local workers, because ppl in Belgium are interested in job creation. Laughing ppl in video, shiny happy ppl.
Tax avoiding schemes of Google come to light in Britain and also the amount of jobs created is not as promissed.
the promise of job had not happenned - a 5 Million euros incentive to go to belgium was given to google
last father is vinton cerf
Vincent Cerf, a father knows best. When things went sour in the south, Google and Mundaneum decided it was a good idea to get the "father" to Belgium. Video of Cerf talking about his visit, collaboration between university of Gent, Mundaneum and Google. Introduction of Cerf: Evangelist de l'internet de Google. Google glasses but no working translation.
video in vint cerf as a address "from one founding father of the internet"
video de démonstration des google glass de vint cerf
Femke will be working on this and invites ppl to contribute/talk about this.
1993 it already started, it's been carefully planned for over 15 years, starting with the moving of the archive to Mons.
yves : mons plan prepared for like 15 ans. the ruler of wallonia stealing the money to prepare mons cultural capital.corruption by all of these people/companies.
f : the moving of the archive is the first step in 1993
marie-françoise : visit from the prime minister in her organisation/archive. approached by microsoft.it's difficult to operate with the cuts. we want to show that women can work in those professions so we have to accept
geraldine : friedrich hayek invented information is the new black gold neoliberalist thinking linked to these developments, shared philosophies
gijs : maybe there's no so much difference btw google & po as he made cards and did paid research
Femke: glad you ask this. It is not a story about the good and the bad guys. Otlet was a man with very interesting ideas. It is not surprising that Google thinks of him as a father, beautiful find. The contrast is in Otlets expanded library ideas and Cerf coming on stage with Google glasses and headphones not working. lafontaine is a different figure and it's very problematic to add him in the mix. quite bizarre. look at otlet as what he did in putting materials together, it's beautiful, and there's more and more stories as otlet as an entrepreneur, as a google on paper created.
Google on paper is how Mundaneum is portrayed now, Otlet as the entrepreneur. This gives a false image. We can't give away the cultural heritage for any amount of euros or 110 (maybe) jobs.
wendy : henri lafontaine was very important for women lib, he'll be on public domain day in january2014
julia ; interesting text i found about adopting genealogy in neo-liberalism
mara : mostly about colonizing europe. microsoft are becoming desesperate.monopoly on source code has been circumvented by open source, pushing for patents now... lobying against monopoly of Google.
femke : tragedy of europeana. very saddening to see the state of such a project promoted as an alternative.
yves : it's interesting to see how the story of otlet has been written, he was before called before the internet of paper and now google on paper.
Femke is not aware of any in depth independent research being done into Otlet. She does think it is super important that this is done outside of the Mundaneum, because the Mundaneum, as the angry guy in the video stated, is messing up its own heritage.
Gijs gets to ask the last quesion. Are they putting effort into digitizing the cards? Only one third of the archive is still there, not a complete system. No way you can reconstruct. The archive of the feminist movement in belgium, the commons movement, large poster archive, early films, ... It looks like Google is scanning things, but it's not clear what is being done atm.
marthe's advice : see the documentary on paul otlet : the man who tried to classify the world
16:20 geraldine juarez
femke: last speaker! we've been following your work for quite a while, very happy to have you!
geraldine: I present 3 things:
She will present 3 things today: F.A.T. (http://fffff.at ) F.A.T. is a bunch of ppl interested in open source, pop culture, internet. they believe in the potential of open source, but are like "bad vegetarians" sometimes. Integrating all the good parts of open source. 5 years ago when they started, open source was not so corrupted as it is now. We really believed in publishing, getting message out, inspiring ppl.
Fast overview of projects:
- fuck flickr is a software you can install on your server and host your own data.http://fffff.at/fuckflickr/
- J3Dilla: http://fffff.at/j3dilla/ when makerbot sold their company, they sold the database of people sharing online their 3d models too, and it's not acceptable. she did simple shell script, run it in a folder and you have stl-models accessible in 3D
- IP Donor, project by Evan Roth: when you die you give all your intellectual property to the public domain http://ni9e.com/public_domain_donor.php
- Kopyfamo' http://fffff.at/kopyfamo/ a project where one can add watermarking logos from press agencies ((AFP, reuters, getty...) on one's images to add credibility.
- FuckGoogle http://fffff.at/fuck-google/ : Active beef with google. Build a fake google streetcar, set up a lab and here a video of what happened. gps tracker on the "googlecar", ppl started reporting that there was a googlecar that was tracked by a group of artists. Construction of the fake car in Berlin. Transmediale. Ppl take photos of the car, they stop in the middle of the road, nobody minds, ppl LOVE Google. Ppl dropping their pants. Ppl shouting "fuck you google" Someone from FAT kicks out the driver, a bypasser starts helping out the fake Google driver. Fuck Google: no corportation should be trusted with THIS much of our data.
in transmediale, we did not get the price, event was sponsored by google
- Social ID-bureau: ID card by Tobias Leingruber http://fbbureau.com/
- Compusock by Becky Stern : Big Hoody over head and screen to enter password. Safety first :) http://www.instructables.com/id/Laptop-Compubody-Sock/
- Another Googlecar project. Selfdriving car. New York. It was driven with the knees, not a real self driven car. Ppl were tweeting about it, photographing. Someone from Google asks for a ride.
someon driiving google car of FAT, were doing the spinning with the cqr, guy from Google asked for ride in the car
car spinning and noone protested
- Katsu made zuckerberg posters all over manhattan
- 10 guys I would never fuck http://guysiwouldnevereverfuck.tumblr.com/ : all guys with google glasses, many arguments why google glasses is not what we need, but it also makes people unattractive, I wanted to make clear that google glasses does that for you: not being attractive
Between fun and politics
we made a book: another way to spread what we do : The F.A.T. Manual http://www.linkartcenter.eu/public/editions/The_FAT_Manual_Link_Editions_2013.pdf
tried 3 times, 3rd time we made it, put it together in 6 months
you can download it for free on our website, also lulu and Moo (buy)
many people of fat don't work there all the time
FAT is a place to experiment but we don't always work in FAT.
O : relationships between pop culture & open source ? how does it go beyond a good laugh ? does it change the way we use technology & interact socially ? not that it is bad to have a laugh. but very mixed feeling about FAT.
Women_in_tech project : if we google things about women in tech is a bunch of intiatives for young girls, women that work in IT, or grown up women that call themselves girls bt aren't.
specific clas related with IT that somehow say 'tech' vs 'technology', automatically idea that software and co is per se ok: techno-determinologist? is not critical. They don't care about anything else than identity, we need to talk more about class to
it needs to be about humans that have more power, but not through work
work is not empowering, work in IT, code for work, be an entrepreneur... why do we talk about women in tech, insteead of technolgoy, and why not also the workers that create technology instead of work with it.
new project I'm starting : Going to the top.
image of Marissa Mayer, CEO Yahoo
ideal of women in tech: you get to very powerful position
David Cameron, cutting budgets for education, kicking imigrants out of UK, neoliberal, he says he's a feminist, he says he respects women - this is gender bait
easy to talk about liberation of women
Liberation through work is not real liberation, working all the time is not going to change society = FAILMINISM not feminism.
I want to know why tech is different from technology, why only certain technologies are called tech
logic: bunch of data, abandoned archives, let's create jobs, make people work & everybody works equally - infocentrism that leads to labour tech
Infracentrism + genderbait = women in tech
Equality is not in numbers but in content, what are we equal in? In numbers? David Cameron and Marissa Mayer aren't interested in equality for all as in ALL
'we need more women & tech in conferences', what conferences?
I propose to call them FAILMINISTS, their ideas should be rejected: no men or women will end up somewhere thorugh only work
New feminisms is only about personal sotires, experiences
Politics are out of control, specific ideology going on, talking about personal experiences I don't know where it challenges this
She is doing a repository of gifs, of women doing manual labour. One nice example of a worker in a shoefactory in mexico, worker with mask of unicorn as symbol of unisex
gifs -> perfect medium to replicate this cycle of manufacture
not interested in any image of women in intellectual work but labour: constructing something, like trains and workshops (marquiladora: they manufacture tennis shoes, cloths)
--> esthaetics of tumblr, tech-audience
Repository so send over gifs! Bigger is better
She wants to present it
anything we do will transform nature
barber pole: made with tupper wares and a motor showing animated gifs of women in tech repos.
O : the power/work narrative for women is not empowering, women are used as tokens. work has many layers as a term, and Geraldine's approach address only some of them, and about specific types of work within IT.
aesthetics issue : tumblr aesthetics... ok it's image, and it's fun, but how does it go further to understand power issues, class issues, etc. to understand how computers are made, with which kind of genealogies, ideologies
Book 'Fortunes of feminism' : about managers & careers, helping liberalism go easy with help of women
working with markets of materials, leech from them: use images to reveal how no-sense is produced
jewelry with Google and Facebooks nasdaq statistics http://www.simple-mechanisms.com/output/market-swag/
- burning bitcoins hello bitcoin http://www.simple-mechanisms.com/output/hello-bitcoin/
same thing in cool format, decentralized system, is just speculation, they are the ones that win. I get mini-bitcoins and burn them
Money is money because you can burn it not because you can spend it, it operates the same way.
- Wealth transfer http://www.simple-mechanisms.com/output/wealth-transfer/: high frequency crashes since 2010 because robots trade the market, programmed to crash, affected by exterior things... first crash took a year to understand what happened, machines could not keep up with connection; 2nd nightmare, more money exported that there was, 3rd one bomb in whitehouse, obama was injured, that made the market crash
-> 3 distinctive patterns to crash markets
Crash patterns drawings into software and create music with it, adding beats to make it pleasant to listen to, not just noise.
17:03 Julia: Aron ? films of very succesful women portrayed by famous actresses, f.ex. Margaret Thatcher protrayed as feminists, parallel
interesting distinction between labour, politics, biology -- women should enter politics, not huge machine
Do you think we can escape gender bait?
Geraldine: I don't know if we can escape from that... maybe politics that aren't sexy are our only option. Artistic capitalistic critiques. Genderbait, you just need to reject that. Everytime someone tries to portrait margeret Thatcher as a feminist, reject that. Just because we use computers we are girls in tech... Ignoring identity politics. Carreer, goals, the need to work to generate more money.Why don't we turn all the girls in Mexico into Entrepreneurs! Well, why don't we let them go to school first?
EU-campaign with lipsticks and superslim women: Science it's a girls thing. Scientific way of looking at lipstick.
Marie-Francoise (IF3 cfr notes Friday morning): The first thing I wanted to say was that you come from a different world. it's very difficult... Our project is to provide work for women who need money. To provide education. we're survivors, there used to be much more centres like that It's a paradox. Girls in tech. We train about 150 - 200 women, from webmasters to women who have no education training them to become saleswomen in shops. We trian them to sell computers, telephony, etc. they are women in tech. Labour is important. It is the reality. When Neelie Kroes came to visit our center (she wan't invited) we are the only successfull women only organisation that trains women to enter the tech market. She was not a woman in tech, seemed rather confused. I wouldn't necesarily call her a feminist, but she is probably taking more interest in the place women take in society. Her role is not imaginative, she is not a revolutionary she is a commisioner.
Reni : there is one training center in graz, 100% microsoft now, used to be small percentage open source. women working there are feminists, conscious they're preparing people for horrible labour market depending on tools such as microsoft.
Geraldine: I don't think work is bad per se
notes an during femke's talk
How does the law affect your service ? Humans and machines
Turkish tunnelers could not be here because of visa problems.... they are here with virtual tele presentationvs how)àç software does affect your life ? PZI-student told over lunch he has been kicked out of the school for a year because of an error in the software ad,in syste, of the school
-> could be a parallel storyline
no access possible through the net
femke forgotten fathers
° father of information science
connections more important than bodies themselves /material
Otlet, traite sur la documentation – universal decimal system
information is not only text – images, voice, drawings, energy(?)
Melvil Dewey – Dewey system
connect systems – languages-houses-tunnels-streets
LAW, SOFTWARE, WAR influences our lives : Otlet, La fin de la Guerre
2 sons go to war
- house for expo & installation
- 1913 Lafontaine friend / won nobel price, all money in this project
different people narrating biographies
mytholigsation/forgetting procedures vs live-note taking
attention of 1 person -> rebirth !
Museum without information/legends
maskerade / tunneling in communication for installment of google in mons : chrystal computing 'diplomatic communications' otherwise google would have canceled the contract !
Elio Di Rupo is now prime minister of Belgium
--> can this be our format of re-writing the flossmanual ?
Using tunnels, forgetting, playing with lack of information, myths, rebirths, forgetting strategies
'host & hosting'
Jean Duplius, confused parent
replacing mining by datamining !!!
through culture and information reviving a pover region, as socialists with commercial company google ; having a common language
zoekmachine op papier
individuals of 20th century as heroes & identifications
Google Cultural Institute, Google Art /MuseuM & exhibitions
'we donùt live in that kind of world
2013 2nd datacenter, for the first time --- institutional recognition
protest UK : google does not pay taxes, not keeping their promises (amount of jobs, other not so clear) – not the subsidies 5 millions euro
evangeliste, it becomes religious
but hey, no translation from him / publicity --> back to the beginning : relationships between bodies
'moving of the archive' wiping out the real story : it was created in brussels
ideals vs ideology 1984 – rewriting history 'we've found the father' – till 2015
'internet of paper' vs 'google of paper' after neglect period of 60 years
otlet searching for body his son ~ google search machine
google colonizing world
vs europeana : copyrights law have won the battle
2nd cultural city : riga, microsoft center --- nono
--> ask all presentations to everyone (dona : email addresses?)